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Post by GodForbid on Dec 2, 2012 19:41:33 GMT
Hi guys.
I've been to quite a few events with NG now, and I have never ever heard any NG member be accused of wiping or unfair play in any way. It has always be the complete opposite.
Rob (Papabear) highlighted today that he thought some cheating was going on and I just wanna get it straight that we need to do a couple of things so that people do not get the wrong idea.
The thing I am guilty of probably even more than anyone else is not wiping off properly when we're re spawning. I could be wrong, but I think the guy Rob was talking about who wiped his mask was me, and it was not because I was hit. I had been hit the round before, I wiped the shot from my head and did not realise there was a big one on my mask. I re entered the game, got to the helecopter, Saj pressed the button, then Rob was pointing at me saying "paint on your mask". Well, it was from the round before, and it's my fault because I didn't wipe it before returning to the game.
Can we make sure that when we are re entering the game zone that we wipe each other off, like what happened with me, you do not always know where you've been hit and you can have paint somewhere that could potentially be a problem.
I did not see a single piece of unfair play from NG today in fact it was the very opposite with people walking off not realising that the ball didn't break, and that's the way it should be. We want a good name. No one likes a cheat and that's why we like walk ons, because it's a way of getting away from punters who do that kind of thing.
I do think that Rob could have pulled one of us aside and had a quiet word with us so that we could sort it out without getting a bad name, but I am sure he did not mean any harm.
I also can say that I was certain at points that I had hit people on the opposite team and that they were playing on, but I give them the benefit of the doubt, at the end of the day I trust them as fair players. We have not earned that respect yet, but I am certain we will do.
I have written this post in the public section so that Mick or Rob can read it so that they know what we're really about. We don't want anyone getting the wrong idea.
Cheers guys.
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Post by MonkeyBoy1493 on Dec 2, 2012 20:00:12 GMT
I do believe its deceiving to the opposition when they do bounce some balls of your head (NOOT) and my immediate reaction is to touch where I got shot if I can't physically see it to check if it has burst and will always call myself if it has.
I did have one situation at the end of the last game that could've given me a bad name which was I heard a clonk and thought it was my hopper, I thoroughly checked it and didn't see a thing, young courtney was shouting your out your out and I didn't quite no what to so kept looking for something, by then he'd come over and pointed it out for me and it was on the peak of my goggles, after the game I apologised to him for the confusion and thanked him for pointing it out.
I pride myself on being an honest player. I did not and would not carry on playing unless 200% sure that I was clean.
I'm glad you started this thread because I didn't like the chance of a possible misunderstanding.
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Post by ironhide on Dec 2, 2012 20:03:04 GMT
What I would say is that it might of been good to have something to wipe paint of with like we do @ Sabotage its hard to wipe paint off on walk-ons as there are so many different paint used and some can be very hard to clear off also we couldn't call paint checks as there was no Marshall!
I know that I hit a few people that just carried on and also was said not to over kill just 1 ball for a bit there was 1 person who I know I hit at least 10-15 times and he just hid and then started shooting back at me!
But what Rob done and said was way over the top and I do feel it was at US but again I don't think it should of been as we were split up on the last game so he can't really blame any team really.
I also felt the day was very laid back and we could of played a good couple more games with the time we spent standing around waiting and it took forever to get air with them busy working on the site I do feel we were in the way sometimes and when I had to ask for air in the middle of a 30min game I felt like I was a hindrance.
I wasn't going to post or say anything but this really spoilt my day I'm happy to meet some new faces BUT. I'm not going to finish this just yet I think I need to sleep on it.
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Post by morphmann on Dec 2, 2012 20:09:20 GMT
Imo if any of our team ever wipes they should be kicked off the team. Not you two for what you said but if people do.
Don't get me wrong I want to win, but NEVER by cheating
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Post by ironhide on Dec 2, 2012 20:11:18 GMT
Can I say NOOT NOOT But only if you get what I mean
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Post by GodForbid on Dec 2, 2012 20:20:57 GMT
Yeah I'll agree. Every NG player should be 200% honest like Steve said, and agree with James that if any member does wipe it'll be against NG rules and a poll should be made to decide on what to do with them, but I don't think it will ever come to that.
Yeah there was a bit of waiting around Andy, I know what you mean, but at the end of the day they didn't have to invite us, they did a much better job of organising it that I could have, and I had a good day. I'm thankful to them for it, but a good point about having something to wipe paint off like at Sab. Maybe that's something we can suggest for next time - if they'll have us lol.
Steve - don't worry about it, it happens to everyone, you're not cheating on purpose. This is what marshals are for and we didn't have any, so it was always going to happen to someone.
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Post by mephestic on Dec 2, 2012 20:58:06 GMT
oh darn I hadnt realised you were meant to wipe your paint off after you got shot before you respawn? !!!! I was simply going back to the respawn point any time I felt a hit and coming back in? I must have had quite a few shots on me from previous rounds that werent wiped off in that case? The thing is I got shot in the mask a couple times dead on and I did go back to the spawn area as your meant to but didnt wipe my mask because it would have made visibility even more worse by smearing it. Hence I left it. I got shot on the gun once too and turned to my team members asking if it counted and no one knew. I figured it had to be a hit on my body so continued! I agree though; its pointless if you get hit and deny it; I cant imagine anyone from NG doing that or at least wouldnt like to think that was the case either as its a hollow victory if you win from cheating - it has no value in it. I think though it can be a combination of misinterpretation too for people doing the shooting and thinking they have hit someone sometimes ; its difficult to know exactly whats happening sometimes and you may think you hit someone because you see them flinch their head or quickly jolt back but that could simply be a reflex reaction to protect themselves once they see paintballs flying near them.
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Post by GodForbid on Dec 2, 2012 21:05:28 GMT
Yeah don't worry Saj most of us are new, and we're all learning. But yeah shots on gun always counts unless told otherwise and we're supposed to be wiping ourselves and eachother at respawn, but as said I am guilty too. It's all about learning though, none of us are purposely doing anything wrong. I am a proud to be in the team, I think it's a great bunch of guys and I think we will end up being a real force on the field too.
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Post by bigaussie on Dec 2, 2012 21:08:46 GMT
It's a shame some people are too quick to point the cheat finger. It isn't always possible to see were you've been hit or at times feel were you've been hit so a little benefit of doubt goes a long way in my book. No one likes being called a cheat. But if you're caught wiping not only are you cheating yourself but you're labelling your teammates as cheats. NOT ON!
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Post by Tack on Dec 2, 2012 21:18:28 GMT
Obviously I never got to play today as I was just running about sorting stuff all day so I didn't know what had happened.
I did hear a couple of people mention some wiping but the words were '99% were playing perfectly fair'.
As far as Rob having a word with Nath, this is a normal thing to do. Rather than approach someone and risk causing an embarrassing scene it's usually better to have a quiet word with a team captain, or equivalent, so they can have a quiet word in a shell. It's basically to stop a possible over eager new player having others stereotype a team. Talking to an individual when they don't know you can often result in some aggravation and it's usually better to talk to someone you do know and they can then talk to their team mate.
You guys have a lot of new players coming in and excitement in the heat of the moment can often mean people doing things they shouldn't. It's maybe something I should have said at the briefing in the morning but we often don't think of it due to the kind of games we play.
The start was a lot slower than I'd have liked, due to the issue with access etc and other stuff We also had issues getting everything started in the cold, the landrover, troop transporter, air system and generator going in the cold.
As for the air stuff and work going on, with quite a few people on site they wwanted to get the netting up so everyone could be a bit more comfortable in the safe zone. Asking for air is never an issue as that is what James was there for.
As you know, we normally have fairly casual affair but I'm trying to get it a little mormeorganised as we'll be having new guys coming that we don't necessarily know that well. That includes self-marshalling, something we take for granted, but we did have some guys doing a bit of marshalling. All of those were doing it voluntarily.
The winter days, when the dark closes in on us, is always a bit more rushed. In the summer we can just stay on site as long as we like; it was up to 8pm sometimes earlier this year.
Again, with wiping, we're all used to being self-sufficient and we all carry microfiber cloths in the field. Those and baby wipes are a paintballers best friend. :-)
I'd like to say thanks to Ironhide for doing some ferrying. Sorry to hear you walked down. I included numbers in the day info so that you'd have phone numbers to call and we'd have sent the landrover for you mate.
I'm sorry if any of you had less than a great day. I'm also sorry I never got to speak to people as much as I'd like; I just never seemed to stop all day.
Hopefully things won't be so hectic next time. Who knows, I might even get some trigger time myself. :-)
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Post by GodForbid on Dec 2, 2012 21:28:37 GMT
Thanks Mick. Yes there was some waiting around but like I said, you did a far better job of organising it than I could have, and some things are just unavoidable. We all had a great day! As far as Rob having a word with Nath, this is a normal thing to do. Rather than approach someone and risk causing an embarrassing scene it's usually better to have a quiet word with a team captain, or equivalent, so they can have a quiet word in a shell. It's basically to stop a possible over eager new player having others stereotype a team. Talking to an individual when they don't know you can often result in some aggravation and it's usually better to talk to someone you do know and they can then talk to their team mate. Rob didn't do that unfortunately though Mick, it was said out loud in front of everyone for all to hear. It's not a problem nor a big deal, he did the right thing. I just worry that some people might get the wrong idea about us, I don't want you guys going away thinking we're a bunch of cheats because that's not what we're about. I know that's not what Rob was implying either, but someone may have got the wrong end of the stick. It was said that it would have been better if he'd have had a word in private with one of us. None the matter though, as said he did the right thing, I am sure he did not mean to cause any harm, nor did he, and it definitely is not a big deal. Thanks for all the hard work you put into it Mick, and for inviting us, we all left buzzing and had a great day! Learnt a lot from you bloody Rebels too in those first two games! I think it's safe to say we were beaten.. Haha.
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Post by Tack on Dec 2, 2012 21:45:35 GMT
It sounds like it may have been an issue like Saj brought up too.
That would be my fault for assuming everyone knows the basic rules, as it was me that did the quick briefing. San obviously didn't know that coming back into a game with paint splats will have you caled out. It would in a punter game or any scenario game.
Also an elimination is a break on any part of you OR your equipment, unless specifically said otherwise for a particular type of game.
The combination of that could well have meant people seeing that as wrong, as it is to all players that know those rules.
I can't believe Rob would have said it generally and pointed the finger at anyone in particular, but I wasn't there. Usually it would be a quiet word about someone identified, or a general reminder for everyone without singling any person or group out.
Next time I'll be sure not to make any assumptions about knowledge and will cover the basics in the briefing.
It's probably a good idea, as a team, to make sure any new members understand the basic ethos of the team and general playing rules.
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Post by MonkeyBoy1493 on Dec 2, 2012 21:52:46 GMT
I just loved hearing rob tell courtney how they let us win lol made me chuckle
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Post by morphmann on Dec 2, 2012 22:34:46 GMT
I just loved hearing rob tell courtney how they let us win lol made me chuckle Bud I was trying to keep that off forum......... Ok so you all now know we only won the last game cause Papa ordered them to stay back..... What can I say. The truth I guess. We played shite most of the day. Not individually, but as a team. Yet that last game we blossomed. I heard quite a few of you shouting what you were seeing. To me it helped to work out what was happening over the whole field not just what I could see. And yes I did see the lol after MonkeyBoys post, but do you all think it is untrue?? We can build on this. Today was so much better than last time @corby
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Post by Tack on Dec 2, 2012 22:54:04 GMT
Chaps, again, should I take some blame for this? I put you all together so you were basically a single side most of the day.
Would it help for you to split up next time and both halves play alongside some more experienced players? You could all take away any positives then discuss amongst yourselves on how you want to go for style of play?
We need to sort some team training of our own as refreshers. Would you be interested in that?
Sorry, maybe I was trying to keep you all together when you'd like to get more variation of play from some others? Don't be afraid to shout up and say what you want guys.
I know Rob was very conscious all day of trying to even up sides and not have anyone go home feeling they'd been overwhelmed. The chopper game is usually good as it's three teams so you get a good rotation of people alongside.
If there's anything you want then let us know and we'll try and help.
Don't worry. You're a new team. Remember that we've been playing together for years and even with just a few guys, we have other people we've played alongside before, like the CZ guys. Also you probably had some of our best players out on the field today, both speed and aggressive wise and organisational. There are another five very fast young guys that weren't playing today too and they're usually pretty devastating when they get in their zone, with appropriate support.
I don't think anyone would have 'let' someone win. They may have gone a bit easier to give others a chance to make moves they might not otherwise get to make, but that's all.
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